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    February 01, 2011

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    Mjspuk

    Provocative as ever, Ryan! I do enjoy a good ShipCrunch blog entry :)

    As one of the few navigators in the world who has sailed on a genuine paperless bridge, I guess I'm what one would call an "ECDIS fan-boy", but I agree totally with your point about legislation - there is too much of it and it is unclear what applies to who. I draw the attention of others to www.ecdisregs.com - a project that will probably never be "finished" because the flag-state legislation just keeps shifting and updating!

    Sadly, I don't think there's a realistic solution, and there's no doubting that with the right training and implementation, ECDIS makes for a safer bridge with improved spatial awareness and more spare capacity.

    Ken E. Beck

    Good post. A point that is often overlooked however is that paper charts can fail. Without an accurate position and track-line a paper chart is of little use. Not infrequently mates miss-plot the position or, in traffic, neglect the plot altogether.

    BrianSJ

    You are right that a great deal of regulatory justification has been placed on the DNV study. Remarkable, given that it did not use real navigators, but a neural network model of a navigator. So, there has been a considerable load placed on the validity of such a model.

    Ryan

    Brian, can you explain those of us who don't know what a neural network model is? And what the drawbacks are, what the risks to validity are?

    BrianSJ

    First a correction; it is a Bayesian network model. It has 67 nodes. The model has had input from experts, but so far as I can see, no validation against human performance e.g. in a simulator. It is easy to build plausible models and to believe in them, but plausible models are often wrong and need validation.
    I have been involved with projects where a close examination of the human decision making involved invalidated the whole Bayesian approach. If a Bayesian approach is in fact appropriate, there are difficult issues of prior probabilities, conditional independence, uncertainty propagation to check. The adaptive nature of human behaviour may be accurately captured or it may not.
    The wikipedia article on Bayesian networks is not for the beginner (surprisingly), and so far I have not found an article that is not for the enthusiast.
    Computer models have a chequered history in public policy; perhaps the worst example in the UK was the modelling of foot and mouth disease. As a general principle, it is wise to be sceptical about them!

    Raj

    Ryan,
    Even though electronic charts are my bread and butter I tend to agree with you. Sadly.
    The light marine industry from where digital charts originated will not touch the official ENCs with a barge pole.
    Industries are mostly driven by the so called voice of the customer. After all he is the guy who is paying the bills. Right?
    The way ECDIS and ENCs are being mandated in commercial shipping is totally wrong. Charts are produced by HOs who do not talk to the customer because they are government. Ships will be forced to use them or else face costly detentions.
    Who enforces these regulations? It's the flag state and the port state control. Ship-owners can side-step strict national laws by registering their ships with the FOCs. But they cannot elude the Port State Controllers.
    Not many people are aware of the menace the PSCs can become to ships. PSC inspectors who enforce the IMO regulations ostensibly to uphold their noble objective of safer seas and cleaner oceans sometimes add their own little objective. To derive business for the local ship-repair centers.
    Masters are scared that mandatory ECDIS will give yet another weapon to these PSCs. Whether they like it or not ships will have to buy the ECDIS and their poorly designed ENCs.

    Archie

    Now that ECIDS has gone mandatory, owners are going to go for the cheapest model that satisfies the requirements. If it had been a "good to have" thing on the bridge, then owners really serious about safe navigation wold have installed it and that too a practically operable one and not something that requires x hours of manual reading to operate and x(squared) hours of manual reading to carry out a weekly update

    תאורה לחדרי ילדים

    Great analytical post! I like too much. It saws in the chart that holy mother of god is highest. I like to read such analytical post.

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